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Just direct members of their staff to not respond to subpoenas, to not hand over documents, to pretend like congressional oversight isn't a real thing. regardless of how utilitarian these objections may be in the moment, he's like, we got to play for the long haul. >> all right, rachel. tomorrow. it's tomorrow. sometime tomorrow. >> i know. >> that's when we get it. >> i'm going to stay up all night. >> great interview, rachel, thank you. well, lisa page speaks. that is the title of molly john fast's article in "the daily beast" in which former fbi lawyer lisa page speaks publicly for the fi...

Articles that just scream out. number one would be the ukraine matters, which is extortion and bribery of a foreign power, seeking them to interfere in u.s. internal affairs and a presidential election at that, and bun in which the president was a candidate. and that also involves use of the president's office to try to advance his personal gain. those are the two things the framers were most worried about, foreign interference and corruption of the office. two would be the 10 examples of obstruction of justice in the bob mueller report, which 1,000 federal prosecutors signed a document saying...

Blow off impeachment and not participate and not send your lawyers and the like. and it demonstrates i think this president's contempt for institutions, number one. and also as gene robinson was saying, the fact is that they don't have a standive defense. there is very little attempt to even bother defending donald trump's actions. so they're just attacking the process, and that's what they have left. and the problem with that is the process is a lot fairer than they're saying. indeed, it's the same basic processes in past presidential impeachments. >> they're bowing out, do you think that giv...

So george mason of virginia came up with a broader phrase -- high crimes and misdemeanors, and that is article ii, section 4 of the american constitution. there was a moment in our history when it saved american democracy. but at other times it's been turned into a cheap political trick hurled at opponents as a weapon. so which is it right now? >> the president deserved to be impeached. >> he's got to go. >> almost three years into the trump presidency, calls for his impeachment come every day, sometimes every hour. >> i say impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. >> impeach trump! impeach trum...

What the grounds for impeachment should be. they agreed on treason and bribery. also proposed was maladministration. james madison objected. he said that was too vague. impeachment wasn't a remedy for a bad president. but what if a president, madison asked, were to cook up a scheme of speculation? in other words, what if the president were a crook? so george mason of virginia came up with a broader phrase -- high crimes and misdemeanors. and that is article ii, section 4 of the american constitution. there was a moment in our history when it saved american democracy. but at other times it's be...