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Because they were afraid of how it was playing in the geopolitical space. >> how others were taking advantage of it. that's very interesting. steve, why do you think they do this? what's their goal? >> first, julia has written a very interesting article. if anyone wants to understand what the russians are up to here. russian operations are carried typically by their intelligence services, often have a number of different goals. most recently, in the most recent iteration we saw the russians try to influence our election so trump would win and less of a chance clinton would win. but there are o...

The clinton foundation because apparently that investigation continues and all the issues about uranium one deal, that's going on. but you understand why they were doing that. she's the quarterback of the team, the article points out. she delivered the reset button to the russians after obama was elected. she would be targeted for spying. what i find out is that the american government rooted the amount. found. >> they did. my question is why relearning about this now? why did we know about this earlier? we should have known earlier. the timing on this -- >> the problem is the narrative and so...

That in 2020, the vice president is re-elected as vice president alongside president donald trump. >> what is so offensive about it? >> any suggestion that he might be, he might be planning a run in 2020. his entire focus is on advancing the president's agenda and taking the steps that are necessary to make sure that we're delivering on the promises to the american people. >> but respectfully, that's not what the article says. the article points out some of the steps the vice president has taken. he did, in fact, set up a pact and more than double the money raised by president trump's pac. >> ...

>> from what we can tell, i think the thread that is general flynn, what's so interesting, if you go back to the republican convention and then candidate trump standing up -- actually this is the democratic convention in philadelphia. he invited russia to try to find the missing e-mails from hillary clinton's server, which is such an outrageous thing for a candidate to say, to encourage that kind of hacking. yet what seems to -- what the article points out is there may have been an attempt with somebody close to trump to do just that. that becomes interesting. the link between russia and the c...

Family business, a business in which mr. kushner is still invested through a series of trusts. i mean, one of the things here is that jared kushner is no longer running the business, but he is still a beneficiary of the business. >> and he has got that trust being run by his sister's husband, his sister, who conducted the presentation in china. his stake, as your article points out, is a $600 million stake. >> it's potentially much more than that. one level here is that jared kushner divested a small portion of his interest in the kushner company's business in part by selling it to a trust whe...