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Intention to be impartial. and that, i think, is a violation of not only their article i oath but article vi oath as well. >> the founding fathers perhaps never envisioned this. otherwise they would probably tried to have an iron clad position where the senate leader would not working, as mitch mcconnell said, step by step in this. >> the senate was always intended to be the grown-ups in the room. they get elected every six years, and they're supposed to be somewhat insulated from the political realities of the day so they can be the more distinguished, more thoughtful politicians and public s...

Mcconnell's loyalty to trump should not overwhelm his loyalty to the constitution. all senators should take their obligation of faithful impartiality seriously, especially mcconnell. history is watching, and it will be a harsh judge. joining us now is kent greenfield, author of that op-ed and professor at boston college. great to talk to you again. let me follow up on our conversation earlier. i want to get your thoughts, what is the core argument you're making? what are the two oaths of office that mitch mcconnell is going to violate? >> only three oaths are mentioned in the constitution at a...

What that means is that they have to take it seriously. they have to be impartial. the words of the oath that every senator will be held to when the trial begins is that they will swear to be impartial. now, senator mcconnell and senator lindsey graham and others already said they had no intention to be impartial. and that, i think, is a violation of not only their article i oath but article vi oath as well. >> the founding fathers perhaps never envisioned this. otherwise they would probably tried to have an iron clad position where the senate leader would not working, as mitch mcconnell said,...

Come here, refugees or not, the fight against them, et cetera, that this can become a legal issue in a different way? >> absolutely. i really do, fredricka, and a defining moment. and here's why. you have various states who are pushing back. and what are they saying? we're not accepting any refugees. >> and do they have the legal right to do that -- >> they don't. they don't. >> there's a federal directive, but then states say, no. >> that's absolutely right, fredricka. and the number of bases as to why they don't. number one, there's a refugee act, and essentially passed in 1980, 35 years ago...

Not only should he drop out of the presidential campaign, he should fail 8th grade social studies class. >> i was quoting article vi just yesterday. i want to play a little more from ben carson. he tried to explain what he thought chuck todd was asking him when he made the initial statements and his opinion not becoming president. here he was. >> he was saying what about somebody of a faith that does not traditionally separate church and state. that traditionally has a thee yok ra si. that traditionally treats women in ways different than we do, treats gays in different ways than we do, obviou...