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That's his style i think the main challenge in a case like this is there are so many ways in which it is exactly like any other case. and the judge ought to and will try to treat it as that. but we were just talking about something like the gag order, where you have to treat the case differently. there is -- you cannot -- the historic moment. >> and right now we see the former president is coming out there you see him, the traditional typical red tie, blocked by that nypd ambulance but he's getting into his car, we presume you can see the secret service there you have an aerial view. i believe...

>> neal, to the mar-a-lago documents issue. "the washington post" reported a significant story which seemed to advance the number of witnesses that they may have on that case, and how far advanced he may be. if that is the case, we haven't confirmed that at nbc, but if that reporting is correct, and it is very detailed reporting, could that case actually precede and go to trial even sooner than this one >> absolutely. i always felt like the mar-a-lago stolen documents investigation is a cleaner and simpler case and there were two things, andrea, that "the washington post" pointed out yesterday...

Republicans in the senate are dealing with this, they're much more cautious. that's the dynamic we have seen play out in this party it is even more interesting to watch how congress deals with this as this legal case goes on because lawmakers are going to have to answer questions about this we know having covered former president trump for a long time, if there was something close to a gag order, how could you really stop former president trump from tweeting, from attacking, this is what he does. he deals with legal problems as political problems as publicity problems so i think chuck rosenber...

Give a different way that i think the prosecutors in this case might be looking at it, many viewers, which is there is no question that there is a sadness to what we're seeing and having a former president who is under arrest, but -- >> take the person out of it, but the fact that somebody who was the leader of the free world is now under indictment. >> absolutely. but i think the sadness is the -- if you're looking at this from a prosecutor's perspective, i think they would say the sadness was the crimes committed. that's the sadness you have somebody who has committed crimes and now charged ...