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Manager and that's when bannon says that he assumes that don junior of course ran as fast as he could to go tell his father all about that meeting. that's the thing to ask bannon about in one of these discussions. >> yeah, if you were interested in a serious investigation and pretty clearly congressman nunes and the house republicans are not. to me, it's interesting pattern because i mean you can draw different lessons of that comment, the horrible shocking comment he made about immigrants in the white house and you can say on the one hand the fact that republicans are not rushing to defend hi...

All about that meeting. that's the thing to ask bannon about in one of these discussions. >> yeah, if you were interested in a serious investigation and pretty clearly congressman nunes and the house republicans are not. to me, it's interesting pattern because i mean you can draw different lessons of that comment, the horrible shocking comment he made about immigrants in the white house and you can say on the one hand the fact that republicans are not rushing to defend him shows that they have little loyalty to him and other hand the fact that republicans sit there and not contradict them also...

Have a president undermining the two central pillars that define our democracy, truth and trust. we have a president that comes out every day and lies about something and undermines truth. how can we have a democracy when the man in the bully pulpit is lying as he breathes, that's one challenge. how can we have trust, which is a requirement of democracy when we have a president that wants to be president of his base and is basically dividing the country every day? that's the third debate going on. it's disturbing a lot of people like myself and it has people like corker and flake literally lea...

Questions here. one is when people say this is what the base wants. here's what worries me. if i know anything about your dad, he had more than a first paragraph. he -- >> he had 100. that's why i never wanted him on television. >> he had a second and third paragraph. what do i mean by that? when i listen to trump on trade or bannon attacking globalist and elitists and pushing all the protectionist policies. what is your alternative economic tax policy that is actually going to deliver for these people you say are hurting in the real world? can you show me an example of a country pursuing it? ...

There are three debates about that. there's a debate, first of all, in the republican party. who is the republican? bannon is trying to redefine the republican party around nationalism and protectionisms, and he's up against mcconnell and ryan who say we are about the pro-business party, and then there's a fight between traditional democrats and traditional republics, we want tax reform and you don't, and so the first one is -- >> we want to score a win, and you juan utwant to make sure it balanced budget. >> what is a republican? the second one is what is a democrat? the third debate, though,...