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And he also worried about discounts the strong islamic roots. and explained if isis ever lost his grip on territory in iraq it would no longer be considered a caliphate. last month, they have retain full control of the iraqi/syrian border. with the president saying we've turned a corner, i thought it appropriate to ask graham, is isis really gone? graham wood joins me now, he's also author of the book "the way of the strangers encounters with the islamic state." graham, you previously disabused me of the idea that they're some ragtag band of miscreants, instead, you said they're ign e ignited ...

Worn a vail until a month ago. really troubling. let's talk about isis a bit. u.s. and coalition military forces are continuing their attacks against isis militants in iraq and syria. the department of defense reported eight more strikes in syria and 19 more in iraq yesterday. they are picking up the pace as secretary of defense told us they would. this week they have been targeting isis oil productions. that's a source of revenue for the terror group. some estimates are they make up $50 million a month on the black market. let's bring more to talk more about this. graham, i remember, i guess ...

Contained and now saying they don't have the capability to hit us. i can't believe that's true. we have to look at this and try to put ourselves in their shoes, if we could. i would like to ask graham, if you look at a couple of the potential u.s. responses to this, how would it play into is isis' strategy. for example, if we did put a lot of ground troops in iraq and syria. how would that play in your strategy and turn our backs on the muslim refugees, how would that play at all? >> so, putting a lot of troops on the ground i think would play directly. they've made no bones about it. they wan...

Possibility of putting u.s. boots back on the ground there in iraq. it's important to remember, though, given the protests of senators mccain and graham that, you know, when the u.s. was bargaining or negotiating with iraq to keep some trainers and advisors there in iraq after the vast majority of troops withdrew, it was clear that president obama, his administration had no intention of keeping anybody in iraq, any combat forces. right now, there are only 200 u.s. american military, but they're all confined to the embassy there in iraq. now, what can the u.s. do now? according to state departm...

Give comfort to wayne and credibility to wayne because we all understand where he is. >> by the way, that's about money. >> well, of course it is. >> he ain't crazy. he likes money. >> he works for the manufacturers. >> the gun manufacturers are making lots of money. >> right. >> it sounds crazy, but it's very simple. he's trying to scare americans and appealing to their racist side. >> the boogey man is coming. the people in south carolina need to ask graham, why are you dealing with this? why are you giving credibility to this? why are you -- and those moderate democratic states. because the...