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But the headache he would invite is far greater than the challenges imposed of robert mueller. >> the key is, laura knows and all the legal experts and everyone knows, rod rosenstein works for the department of justice. he's not president trump's personal attorney. i think moving forward for the administrati administration, the best course of action is to stop calling attention to the amount of time and money that's being spent on this and calling it a witch hunt. i want to believe that this president and this administration did not collude with the russians. so if that is true, and if they sa...

And then all of a sudden somebody didn't do it and we realized there's to way for us to compel them to do it and we need to know that. that would take one of the stones off of the side of the scale that says something fishy is going on if he just released the tax returns because we would at least know that he was not encumbered by some sort of loan or something, a foreign government, where the united states had an interest and he was negotiating on our behalf. >> what do you think about this whole pardon thing and the question is, too, is what's the next move? because people are tweeting tonig...

>> let's ask laura. laura, is it more complicated than that? >> it is complicated in the sense of the president of the united states would have to jump through significant hoops to be able to fire robert mueller. that was the premise of having him in the independent position that he is. and who he reports directly to is rod rosenstein. mueller serves essentially at the instruction of rosenstein. it rod rosenstein refused to do so, this sounds a lot like what happened in the nixon area in the watergate scandal, finding somebody who is willing to be the merrymen of the president. the likelihood ...

Here's our breaking news. a federal grand jury approved the first charges in the investigation led by special counsel robert mueller, according to sources briefed on the matter. the charges still sealed under orders of a federal judge of the plans have been prepared for anyone charged to be taken into custody on monday. it's unclear what the charges are. my panel is back with me now. i want to get back to laura coats. laura, i'm not sure if this is related to this, but it's important to get to. dana boente resigned today. is any significance to this? is it related to the indictment? could it b...

So they had to look here, we just don't know because we're not naming who the charges are against and we don't know what the charges are because they're under seal. we'll stay on top of this, don. >> thank you very much, pamela brown, with the breaking news tonight. i want to bring in ed mcmullen, and global affairs analyst david rhode, and cnn legal analyst laura coats. this is big breaking news we need to talk about. laura, i want to get your legal advice. what is the process here? when will we know who is under indictment and for what? >> as soon as it's publicly available information, prob...