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Which the justice department makes those decisions. in any case, berman was off the case, recused. what the times says is the president or the white house ask whitaker to put bemplen back on, and whitaker said he couldn't do that or declined to do that, because berman was recused. the justice department spokeswoman has a statement pushpush ing back to some extent, pointing out that when whitaker testified, he said, quote -- at no time has the white house asked for nor have i provided any promises or commitments concerning the special counsel's investigation or any other investigation. i was go...

Rosenstein and sessions in-house and advising the president how to do it. this is a step -- look, this is way beyond anything that jeff sessions did that demanded a recusal. this is actually trying to use -- showing that he was willing to use the justice department for the president's own political ends. >> the difference is they're all coming to congress now. before they would have got a free pass. now they have to come to congress and explain what the pledges were, it's not a free pass. >> somebody said you're dumping on democrats without giving thoughts. i have a thought, can't you ask whit...

Investigation." back now with our political team. david axelrod, there is no appetite certainly in the senate to send sort of some protection for mueller, it seems, or ask whitaker to recuse himself. >> well, no, and let's just be clear, the thing that infuriated donald trump was that sessions recused himself. he's not sending whitaker over there to recuse himself. he's not recusing himself. what he said on tv here on cnn, it seems to me, was like an audition tape for the job that he now has. so he's going to be there. i don't think the senate is going to be very active in oversight here despi...

Investigation, matthew whitaker should recuse himself from any involvement in mueller's investigation. congress must take immediate action to protect the rule of law. and the integrity of the investigation." back now with our political team. david axelrod, there is no appetite certainly in the senate to send sort of some protection for mueller, it seems, or ask whitaker to recuse himself. >> well, no, and let's just be clear, the thing that infuriated donald trump was that sessions recused himself. he's not sending whitaker over there to recuse himself. he's not recusing himself. what he said ...