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So i think this will have a real sobering affect on adventurism from the assad regime. >> is there a benefit in not -- in the regime not being clear on what u.s. policy is, on not being clear on, well, what is the red line? is it just not using chemical weapons? if i'm assad and you use barrel bombs, are they going to intervene? is the lack of clarity, is that a possible intentional benefit? >> yeah. i think so. look, it's clear to me based upon what we have been saying the last 24 hours after the attack, that it's going to take another significant provocation for us to repeat what we did last...

Isis, of course, will retreat into the desert, they'll continue to launch their insurgencies, and they still control a third of the country. so the fall of aleppo will not end the war. but it is likely to change the war in a pretty dramatic and decisive fashion. >> quick, one more beat on this. for americans who say, look, i care about isis. i can't -- the united states can't be the world's policeman, we can't fix syria, there are 100 guys like assad out there. i only care about isis. what do you say to them? >> i mean, if we really do care about isis, and there's a contradiction, syria and ir...

It does appear the u.s. making it up as they go along. in fact, there have been long standing plans and recommendations to the president to ramp up and have some more forces on the ground. but this would be first time that we're acknowledging, at least, forces on the ground. a small number in northern syria. the big game changer really has been what russia started on september 30th with their air strikes, without much prior warning if at all to the u.s. even though this came only 48 hours after the president and vladimir putin were meeting at the united nations. kerry today in vienna meeting f...

Unicef. where is the leadership at the u.n. the americans can step up and give money, but if you're talking about giving refugees a home here, you are never going to be able to solve this massive crisis around the world. people are escaping the violence. we should be able to put humanitarian shelters and spaces even inside syria so that these individuals can escape the violence. they can be fed and be in a safe place. and we should solve the assad problem and put them back in their home country where they speak the language, where they can get a job, where they have a future. bringing them her...

So you have to deal with the assad problem. the administration's folk us in syria, however, is not on the assad brutality. it is on the islamic state. >> laum pause you that. >> while that is also a big problem it is not going to fix the refugee problem. >> do you think our focus is wrong? do you think our focus should be on the assad regime, and then focus onnize isis? >> i do believe because the regime is drive iing mem memberp into isis. why is that? because they are able to recruit from angry young syrian men who are furious at the bombing that the assad regime is inflicting on syrian neig...