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Telegraph the notion that democrats don't care about your security, democrats don't care about crime and democrats don't counter that with an equally powerful message, it could be a problem for them. >> i think the danger for the president is presenting this wall as a cure all because this is how he is presenting it, this idea that a wall will stop what is going on at the border. he says these criminals are coming from central america. the truth is these are asylum seekers. that is unlikely to stop because of a wall. we also know it is probably going to be sometime before you can put up a wall...

Essential, bring them all back to work, and somehow get them working on refunds. >> ask he's going to have a problem, an immigration problem, which is, look, the immigration surge that has bothered the president a lot of the president's supporters, are these tens of thousands of central american border crossers who seek asylum, who present themselves at the u.s. border and say i want to be released into the country pending a hearing, and i'm coming with a minor so i can't be detained. that problem won't change. what the wall does not do is change the rules about asylum. the border crossers and...

Have to deem all irs workers essential, bring them all back to work, and somehow get them working on refunds. >> ask he's going to have a problem, an immigration problem, which is, look, the immigration surge that has bothered the president a lot of the president's supporters, are these tens of thousands of central american border crossers who seek asylum, who present themselves at the u.s. border and say i want to be released into the country pending a hearing, and i'm coming with a minor so i can't be detained. that problem won't change. what the wall does not do is change the rules about as...

>> we know he's going to be using that 4,000 statistic to make the case when we know those number are dubious. the mayor of mcallen, texas, where president trump is going to be going, he said a wall isn't protective for solving the problems there. how does that compare to what you hear from experts and security people that you've talked to? >> that really lines up. i've gone all along the rio grande valley. they have a natural border there. it's the river. they can see people coming across the river, often on rafts. they see them as they're coming. a lot of times they're turning themselves in....

Illegally crossing a border opening. >> well that's right and the crisis clearly is at the southern border. we have this central american caravan folks from el saveloy door, honduras, guatemala are headed our way, they aren't in fear of their lives they just don't like the conditions in their home country. that's not a standard that allows someone to come in and avoid our normal processes to acquire citizenship in this country. we have to get on top of it. i entered a bill early last year to clean-up this asylum problem to clarify what the credible fear standard is and make sure that it's not ...