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For seniors. that's the simple facts. if you don't like it, vote no. >> you know that the ryan plan transforms it to put market forces in there. i know you don't like it. >> what does transform it mean? >> what it does, takes it to voucher programs -- by the way we're talking about people under 55 years old. medicare we know will not exist because it is a path to go broke. soap you have to make some changes and i welcome the president to the table. remember it was the president and you democrats who cut medicare last year to fund for -- fund obama care, you did cut it, $500 billion. that was p...

I think it's very important that we bring it up, i welcome the president to the table. paul ryan has already laid these issues on the table and i think it is an extremely important bipartisan discussion. >> congressman weiner, your team now has a plan to rally behind. how's the rally going? >> it's much better. you described it as an attack on paul ryan's plan. here's the central fact of the medicare program. democrats create and support it. and the democrats don't. the republicans created it and supported it, the democrats don't. now they have their budget on the table and what does it do? it...

Republicans are seeing now, is they think they have an opportunity to hack away at the safety net programs they never cared about, i'm not saying they don't like seniors, i'm just saying they don't like medicare. i'm not saying they don't like seniors, they just don't like social security. think just don't like them to become poor or sick or need for care. that's the fundamental difference between democrats and republicans. you're going to have to stop saying my name out loud. somehow it slows me up. all it means is what the president -- >> lawrence, lawrence -- >> i'm sorry, we're out of time...

Trillion in budget cuts over the coming decade. huge cuts in medicaid, and then the medicare cuts get even bigger in the decade after that. but it uses most of that money for tax cuts. it has $4.2 trillion in tax cuts, and in the health care area, you know what the ryan plan does -- the congressional budget office says this -- it actually makes medicare more expensive but it saves money for the government by having the government pay so much less of the cost of medicare that it's a huge shift on to the backs of beneficiaries. it shifts costs to beneficiaries, it doesn't lower health care costs...

Millions of seniors from poverty with social security and medicare. we have led the world in scientific research and technological breakthroughs that have transformed millions of lives. that's who we are. this is the america that i know. >> this is not the america the tea party knows. this is not the america that john boehner and mitch mcconnell represent. they represent the america that believes government can do nothing right, except occasionally when a republican commander in chief is directing our troops in war. toward the end, the president spoke directly to democrats. >> indeed to those ...