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Effort going on in secret, the secret war against al qaeda that started in 2005, 2006. i ran an al qaeda simulation group for special operations tier 1 operators in coronado in 1997 and 2001. we were on top of that mission. what we were not on top of was at the national level, the belief that these people would carry out a strategic level attack intended to completely -- the fabric of the world, and that's what they did, but at the tactical level, we had seen aircraft as weapons systems as a viable attack methodology. the israelis shot down a libyan airline airliner in the 1970s believing that...

Go operational with some type of activity that we need to be concerned about. >> bill: how much do you think they know about him now? my sense is a lot. we have more information in 12 hours than we had about the vegas killer last month. >> they know a ton about him now and know more in the coming hours and weeks to come. but they'll dig in as deep as they can and find out recreate his life, find out who he has been talking with and associated with and see if anyone shares his desire to attack people riding on bicycles in a big city. >> bill: i bet his family has answers, too. ron, i want to go...

Information that helps to make their country stronger and more competitive and understand what the u.s. policies and procedures are going to be. so this is a sophisticated group. the second piece is, an individual came forward after we went public and said that the dnc had been hacked by the russians. gucifer said i hacked the dnc and gave the information to wikileaks. gucifer has been trying to cover the tracks of the dnc hack. >> bottom line is, this is how it works. russia isn't going to say we handed this off to wikileaks. this is the way the cyberattack system plays out? >> it's a classic...