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In the early �*90s. and i increase the numbers every year, every year that i live. and without the unstinting support of the nhs, i certainly wouldn't be here today. for more stories from across the uk, head to the bbc news website. you're live with bbc news. we have a developing story. cnn is reporting that it has obtained an exclusive audio recording of former us president donald trump discussing secret documents he held that were not declassified after he left the white house. in the recording the former president can be heard speaking about papers that he says are part of attack plans fr...

Nuclear secrets and lying to the fbi about having nuclear secrets and not giving those nuclear secrets back. >> they think consequences to that would be bad for america. that is an interesting question. >> bad for america, for the fbi to try to get back nuclear secret, secret attack plans against iran, and also secret assessments of america's greatest weaknesses. >> interesting question. >> it is fascinating. not going to even ask how they live with themselves because, well, we could have been asking that question for the last six years. still ahead on "morning joe," as we have been discussi...

Attack plans and counterattack plans, that is not his personal property. >> they couldn't be more different. the presidential records act passed after watergate defines what is a presidential record. it says some things are presidential records which are documents created by the president or for the president for the use in his official duties. and then exclude some other things. it talks about personal records like diaries journals. the -- we -- 's diaries or journalists are not subject to the presidential records act. donald trump is not even charged under the presidential records act. he is...

Qualified as his personal diaries, where is trump hoarding sensitive national security information, possible attack plans and counterattack plans, that is not his personal property. >> they couldn't be more different. the presidential records act passed after watergate defines what is a presidential record. it says some things are presidential records which are documents created by the president or for the president for the use in his official duties. and then exclude some other things. it talks about personal records like diaries journals. the -- we -- 's diaries or journalists are not subjec...

Socks drawer, are going to believe that. whether that's already the wall street journal doing the opinion piece -- everybody trying to say that it's the same thing, when it's not the same thing. but then there are the people that are open to persuasion, open to actually hearing what the case is about, that it's not just presidential records act. it's actually dealing with espionage act, it's -- there was nothing in clinton's sock drawer that had the attack plans to iran, or nuclear codes, or anything with nuclear systems. so how people understand the seriousness of this. >> i think at one poin...