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nuclear plant in ukraine and the situation needs to be treated with immense caution. he's just arrived in austria following his initial inspection of the plant, which has been now on bbc news, the media show. hello and welcome to this week's the media show. now, we're going to talk about news podcasts this week. there's been a very high profile launch. it's called the news agents. it's from global, and it's presented byjon sopel and emily maitlis, both big figures at the bbc before they left to set this up. emily maitlis has also been in the news because she gave a mactaggart lecture...

Donald trump, there were, you know, on day one of his presidency, we had him saying the crowd for his inauguration was the biggest in us history. it wasn't. that was a lie. but to say he's a liar, well then i'm trying to get inside his head and sort of attribute motive to what he's doing. but i think it's very important that if something is untrue, we say it is untrue. 0k. can ijump in here, ros? of course you can. because i think there's - something really important here about that does go back to something adam said - about lying and the consequence of the brexit referendum. - and without re...

Call people liars. dino said we would say if something was a lie. now, you know, with donald trump, there were, you know, on day one of his presidency, we had him saying the crowd for his inauguration was the biggest in us history. it wasn't. that was a lie. but to say he's a liar, well then i'm trying to get inside his head and sort of attribute motive to what he's doing. but i think it's very important that if something is untrue, we say it is untrue. 0k. can ijump in here, ros? of course you can. because i think there's something really important here about that does go back to something ad...

If something was a lie. now, you know, with donald trump, there were, you know, on day one of his presidency, we had him saying the crowd for his inauguration was the biggest in us history. it wasn't. that was a lie. but to say he's a liar, well then i'm trying to get inside his head and sort of attribute motive to what he's doing. but i think it's very important that if something is untrue, we say it is untrue. 0k. can ijump in here, ros? of course you can. because i think there's something really important here about that does go back to something adam said about lying and the consequence of...

Jon and emily aren't suddenly going to become shockjocks. but, you know, we do have the ability now to call something out. and i think that's what i was saying. you'd feel more comfortable calling somebody a liar, jon, on global? well, i think the line i drew when i was in washington and i mean, i read that interview, the headline said that we would call people liars. deano said we would say if something was a lie. now, you know, with donald trump, there were, you know, on day one of his presidency, we had him saying the crowd for his inauguration was the biggest in us history. it wasn't. that...