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Alternative intelligence trying to say well, maybe there's sort of other interference that is out there. but this looks remarkably different. we don't see hacking. we don't see infiltration of audiences. we don't see social media. we don't see state-sponsored news. china doesn't have state-sponsored news outlets in iowa that are actually broadcasting information. this is wholly different. and it really just looks like a deflection. at the same point the president has not addressed what we do know about 2018. there have been two senators that have been hacked, shaheen and mccaskill. >> that we ...

Election. so it's not unusual to see a pop-up in any given time in the discussion. we have to remember in any sort of influence network, most of the conversation at any moment is about what's going on currently in that audience space and only if you look at really the links, the urls, the stories they're sharing, that's where you start to see the influence. mostly what i've seen this week is they're more concerned about alternative media personalities being pushed offer social media. libertarians. that's the main topic i've seen. >> so, ben popkin, you cover this in great detail, in-depth, and...

Accounts in social media, players, operatives, political parties, ngos, groups like that into the u.s. audience space, align with them based on interest, financial being a big one, information being another one, common issues, like america first. if america puts america first and the world second, russia can get on the world stage. the angle is a behavior change in target audience. we saw it happen last week. saw senators go to russia and repeat lines that russia would want them to say. sanctions aren't working. maybe you shouldn't pursue these, or everybody does influence and meddling, senato...

In this timeline? because this is all coming out just a little over a week after julian assange tipped off a fake sean hannity about dirt on warner. >> right. let's look at this. director pompeo comes out and says wikileaks and assange are hostile actor in the united states. you know, assange is trying to communicate with hannity, suddenly fox news has this content and wants to blow it up into a big conspiracy. i mean, how are we not -- if you objectively step back from this, we've seen him act as a proxy for russia. wikileaks has acted as a approximateproxy for russia. why wouldn't this be gr...