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Had it not necessarily shut down keystone, but been open to keeping it open and all these other things it wanted including wind, solar and what have you. what do you think we'd be looking at now? >> well -- [audio difficulty] the important point here, neil, is it takes all sorts of energy to produce the amount to keep the economy growing at the pace we -- [audio difficulty] it takes fossil fuels, it takes wind, it takes solar. when you pursue a policy -- production of energy -- [audio difficulty] neil: all right. secretary, i'm very sorry, sir, but we have some all of a sudden owe issues with ...

Services committee, rob whit math. first to the tight governor's race in the commonwealth of virginia. as a virginia lawmaker, what are you seeing regarding level of interest in this governor's race in your district and elsewhere? >> well, mike, i've had the -- [audio difficulty] i'm going to just -- glenn has been focusing on what's important for virginians, and that's why he's really connected with folks in this race. i've travel thed around with him, the level of excitement is off the charts. people are really focused on what's best for their families. he's connected on issues where he want...

Cheese and you mix them together and form whatever you want. these girls are making some haunted house here and we've got cupcake here. so we use cherry filling for the cupcakes and they're oozing out. and oozy cherry surprise. i believe that kelloggs is going to give me some sort of endorsement and some of these as wellments there you go, it doesn't sound adkins and low carb friendly, that's a calculated risk, right? >> and right now, it's -- (inaudible) >> all right, we're having some audio difficulty with you. you talk about limiting the size of a party, but some people go big for their hal...

Multitrillion dollar package just by taxing people or big businesses. how do you respond to that? >> well, we've laid out the revenue increases, and they do add up to $3.5 trillion over ten years. they are difficult to pass, and i don't like to increase taxes on anyone. [audio difficulty] inflation that you mentioned. so we do have, people are rightly focused on what we provide in these bills. the universal pre-k, the hearing and dental care for seniors, etc., etc. but i think that the provisions to require at least a 15% tax on all corporations no matter what -- they use --

Benefits for a certain thurm of years, we generate the tax revenues. mike: what do you say to those who worry about pumping trillions more dollars into the economy regarding inflation? >> well, this bill is designed to be paid for. eventually it'll be mostly paid for, and so you're not pumping more dollars into the economy. sure, you're giving money in tax breaks to the families -- [audio difficulty] but you're taking money from billionaires and from corporations that are not, are using shenanigans to avoid paying taxes. so you're taking money out of the economy with the tax increases and putt...