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Media and its further said about cohen he just would roll on his phone during conversations kind of in lieu of note taking and as a matter, of course? >> that's right. that's what lanny davis told us that is cohen had a practice of recording conversations instead of taking notes. it sounds odd for a lawyer to do that but he did. and he did it on his iphone, he would keep hold of the audio files and lanny davis said he didn't intend to do anything with those audio recordings other than to keep them as his own personal record. that was the way he chose to keep records working at donald trump's p...

He knows with federal prosecutors. >> phil, further, a lot of the recorded conversations are said to be with members of the news media. and it's further said about cohen that he just would roll on his phone during conversations kind of in lieu of note-taking and as a matter of course. >> that's right. that's what lanny davis, his attorney, told us, that cohen had a practice of recording conversations instead of taking notes. it sounds odd for a lawyer to do that, but he did. he did it on his iphone. he would keep hold of those audio files. lanny davis said he didn't intend to do anything with ...

Wasn't given a white house job, and their relationship has grown more and more tense over the years at this point. but i think what you're seeing here, you know, we don't know what's in the content of 11 of those 12 files, the audio files that now have been turned over. but i think you need to look at this as sort of a one-upsmanship being played as they try to figure out what is most beneficial to them. in this case, trump's attorneys decided to waive privilege. they feel having the information out there is strategic to them. i think we will see it play out over the next weeks and months. >> ...

The government. we don't know who the parties are that are involved. to make the assumption right now they're necessarily related to trump would be a mistake. we don't actually know what is on the recording. again, all we know is that these 12 audio recordings used to be marked privileged and then they no longer were. that's why the government could have access. obviously all of this is fascinating. what we reported on friday is that the audio recording, the conversation between michael cohen and donald trump, that was a recording that was previously marked as privilege. and as rudy giuliani c...

When that went nowhere, he took another look at matt leili's computer hard drives. >> do you think somewhere in there is the nugget that will get you to the next step in this investigation? >> at minimum we need to redo it to see if technology had advanced. i needed a new forensic guy to look at the video, whatever else he could find on the computer. >> the techie richter needed was just down the hall. before joining the police force, he was an i.t. guy. >> i started looking for what we call low-hanging fruit, what's easily available? i found all these audio files. >> nobody had listened to th...