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Agent of the ukraine and others. and the mueller investigation i believe is expanding its circle and interewing really all of manafort's contacts. they've gone through his financial dealings. but i think that his dealings particularly in kiev representing the regime there in ukraine and elsewhere. so i think the political end and the russian connection end of the manafort investigation is still developing and wl be coming in a superceding indictment. >> does that make him vulnerable to preure at all? >> they'veeally been joined at the hip, and there's a lot of

Against paul manafort and mr. gates yesterday, realistic atly thereto still a long way to go in other pieces of the investigation and those portions continue. >> so the investigation on paul manafort's financial dealings is an area president can pursue with the president. >> for ken. >> definitely. this was really round one of the manafort and gates investigation. i frankly, would expect additional charges. one reason for that is that the information and plea agreement refer, i think, indirectly to manafort and others high up in the campaign who had direct mmunications with papadopoulos. i don...

Heard about it yesterday. what do you make of mueller's move to announce his arrest just yesterday was that strategic move. >> yeah first of all it tells us mueller is running a tight ship over there. i know there's talks about leaks but i don't think it's coming from mueller's side, i think it's coming from congress or defense or someone else not his team that's first part of it. they kept a huge secret that would have been big news of it had leaked. also it was unsealed even though the deal was consummated on october 5th. the unsealing of that was yesterday. and i think what that tells me is...