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>> absolutely. >> the difference is he's lying. >> no, no, obviously, these are progressive and populist troupes that we've heard for a long time. she's not taking a page out of donald trump's book -- >> and he's hurt the very people he's talking about. >> these are the themes that got trump elected. and hillary clinton didn't say them as forcibly as she could have, and now elizabeth warren is competing on that territory. >> right. and as the congresswoman said, it is authentic to who she is and what she's been talking about for years and years and years. i think, you know, what hillary clinto...

Now hillary clinton didn't say them as forcefully perhaps as she could have or should have. and now elizabeth warren is competing on that territory. >> right. and as the congresswoman said it is authentic to who she is and what she's been talking about for years and years. and i don't want to relitigate 2016 but hillary had an authenticity problem. the clip you just showed showed that elizabeth warren right now does not. >> well, i'll -- i take umbrage with that. you see her drinking the beer in her kitchen? that got widely panned, a little bit of authenticity. >> i'd love to see elizabeth war...

Reinforces hillary clinton's authenticity problem. it reinforces the idea that she is scripted and so carefully managed that we don't really get to see the real hillary clinton. i think probably the question would come in the form of, how do you explain to people the difference between your private persona with the persona you have behind closed doors and perhaps the public persona we all see? i think for her, the best way she addresses that, and this was missing in her town hall debate performance, she needs to demonstrate that she is human. she needs to empathize with the questioner. i think...

Outlandish the comments he makes are. so it seems to me he is proving that once again in this cycle conventional wisdom is completely out the window. >> what's really interesting to me is that trump didn't pay a dollar last quarter for pollsters. compare that with hillary clinton's camp who paid close to a million dollars for pollsters. i wonder if you think all that money could be a liability for her. because some of the criticism she facesis where is the authentici authenticity? you look at the polls and the ratings, then maybe you come off less like yourself? >> you think? i mean, hillary c...

An authenticity problem. i disagreed with you i liked "ocean's 12." she's not exciting the base. speak about young women especially who ought to be off the charts turning out for her and they are not. there is a clinton fatigue problem in this country which is pronounced. they've been like the permanent cornea implant in our eye for the last 25 years and i think people are tired with her. >> patti. >> i disagree with you. look, i think she's got -- she's building her coalition. she's got african-american support. she's got hispanic support. she's got support from women. and it's broad and it c...