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People who will choose not to have insurance. i think you could diminish that number gravely if you had a system where people were automatically enrolled and you had to opt out. >> i love this idea of automatic enrollment. why is there no -- i guess, why is there no critical mass on this in your party? >> well, people are now finally starting to look at that idea and we've had a couple of scholars who have written papers on how you might do auto enrollment. so i think it was a new idea. but i do believe that it's starting to get attention. >> let me ask you one other idea. are we to the point ...

>> yes. >> -- who are eligible because they're eligible for other government programs, so it's almost like automatic enrollment. and yet we're enrolling them in a program that, as joe suggested, there's no evidence to show that medicaid improves the health of these people. so how is that a success when we're spending half a trillion a year on this program and expanding it even when we have no evidence to show that improves people's physical health? this is bizarre that we're calling this a success story. jon: what about our veterans? we did get an e-mail from a veteran who wants to know about ...