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What they're saying there. i don't believe that he was a danger to anybody. he had his wrists bound and he wasn't going to hurt anybody. he wasn't armed and he never had a weapon on him. >> and what do you make of the autopsy finding which says that his death was actually due to the cocaine use? >> well, the medical examiner, the pathologist who did the autopsy did not possess the videotapes that we just showed. and i'm confident had those videotapes been viewed by the pathologist, they would not have reached the conclusions that they did. >> and so, what is the next step here legally? >> well...

Infection with the hanging a few years ago. a 2012 inspection said they did not provide face-to-face observation every hour as required by law prior po inmate james harper howl the 4th's suicide prior that year. joining us is joy reid. there is so much about this case i find troubling and confusing. what did we learn today from that press conference by the assistant district attorney? >> i would say that the one thing that we learned is how definitively this part of the three-part investigation. you have the separate investigation by the texas department of public safety into the traffic stop....

Adequately provide face to face observation every hour as required by law prior to her first attempt in novssember of the year. joining me now is joy reid. there's so much about this case that i find troubling and confusing. what did we learn today from that press conference by the assistant district attorney? >> well, i would say, chris the one thing we learned is how definitively this part of as you said the three-part investigation because you have the texas rangers doing an investigation into the death. you also have the waller county da there's a separate investigation by the department o...

>> she did not have pizza in her stomach. >> the delivery man said he handed the box to karen just before 9:00 p.m. at the door, so the killer may have been inside when the pizza was delivered or arrived shortly afterwards. karen's boyfriend, tim permenter, who discovered her body, had an alibi for this time period. he was with a friend in a cabin at moon lake, 25 miles away, an alibi that checked out. the person of most interest to police was roc herpich, whose name was written in blood next to karen's body. >> i kept my mouth shut, but it does. it's disturbing. it's very disturbing. >> but a...

For viewer there's a left and right side that goes straight down the middle. >> correct. this is no evidence from the autopsy that suggests any other injury. if somebody is banging their head against the van, there's got to be injury. there's none of that. the autopsy finding is the injury is solely related to the broken neck and the starting the severance of spine. >> say that again. the autopsy shows no evidence -- >> there's no evidence of any other injury. there's not a crushed voice box. there's not -- it's all related to -- it's similar to a car accident where you have force. it's the ki...