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Effective and more responsive to the american people. >> this gets to the whole va mess there is an argument that liberals make and it's a good one, when you use the analogy of the space program, the government will take on tasks that are simply too big or too risky for businesses. they would not entertain. that only the government could have gotten us to the moon. working again with private enterprise. we know that involved quite a few private contractors. but that and the military are proof there are certain things the government does better. that was something the president was harkening ba...

Tasters there or what? >> well, it's a good group of people that are coming to talk about where the country is and where america's going to be throughout this century. people of the country i think deserve to understand how we're going to lead the world and hear different viewpoints including some democrats. former governor brian schweitzer, a liberal democrat, is coming to offer his views as well. >> he's among those mentioned as a possible candidate for president himself, regardless of how hillary clinton is doing in the polls. back to this va mess, governor, now the fbi involved, how bad do...

Later in our show and show you the champion horse's baby pictures and there's still much more ahead live from washington, including a huge crash on the new jersey turnpike leading to tracy morgan being medevaced to the hospital. plus, congress does its best to clean up the va mess, putting the va on notice. >> to see all of this deception with no accountability and no action, it is more than just a shame. it's a nooshl disgrace.

>> well, no. i think we -- i wouldn't release them to begin with. and, yes, if people plot to attack our country, they will be dealt with and they will be dealt with harshly. >> finally, on the va mess, as you know, you have been a critic of the administration, how it handled -- the va administration how it handled the treatment of our veterans. there are many who say it's just not up to the job. either privatize it, give the soldiers vouchers to go elsewhere, slowly shut it down. what do you say? >> i did a lot of my medical training in veterans hospitals, in north carolina primarily, and the...

The president talks about the rule of law. how about american law, the broke the law by not telling congress 30 days prior. he talks about human rights all the time. what about human rights of malala, the girl in pakistan who was shot in the head by the tall began for both to school. all those women and girls in afghanistan and pakistan with acid thrown in their faced from the taliban leaders and their supporters. what about their human rights? >> well good, points all. i'm curious, you talk a lot to soldiers, active duty and retired. i'm wondering between the handling of this swap, the marine...