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Levels are too high and the polls show they do think that, then shouldn't we reduce those levels? why don't we follow the lead of the public? >> to what percentage would be acceptable for you and -- >> tucker: i don't know. when i was born it was fine. better country than it is now in a lot of ways. >> you think so? >> tucker: not just immigration. >> what metric was at it better country? what metric? less diverse country maybe? >> tucker: no. it's not about race, actually. the middle class was vibrant when i was born. it's dying now. that is the difference. it's not about race. don't make the...

We take our basic rights for granted, other voices pill -- fill the void. demagogues get out there and promise simple fixes to complicated problems. >> tucker: so he is condemning demagoguery, huh? that is much given he has been the chief practitioner in the country. he with the other speeches he has given is the opponents are racist and therefore unreasonable and worth ignoring. the idea if he calls americans racist enough times they will obey. that is how he ran the country for eight years. this is not a policy argument he is making. it's a theological one. the question is as a political mat...

Possible country? what is the ideal? what percentage of americans should be foreign-born? >> this is the thing. two-third of the g.d.p. expansion since 2011 game from immigrants. this is not me caming from. he's citigroup. not a bastion of open borders or socialism. >> tucker: citigroup is an advocate for open borders for the record. just so you know. but okay. so economic growth comes directly from low-wage immigration. that is your contention. >> not low-wage immigration. what we are seeing in terms of innovation and economic growth in the country. not only in the sectors like agriculture or...

And sometimes they exploit their work. >> tucker: you are flaking for corporate america. i get it. but let me get to my original question. if 14% foreign-born is good, what is the limit? if we were 90% foreign-born, there were a smaller percentage of americans living here, would it be even better? >> you said in the past that you are against undocumented immigration. but also for limiting legal immigration. i think that is a real issue here. i don't think we should be addressing undocumented immigration from a border enforcement standpoint. only from a border enforcement standpoint. >> tucker:...

That is the identity politics in the post-j.f.k. party movement. the party of the j.f.k. are long gone. they are now republicans. >> tucker: they are saying that the american history is so disgusting and indefensible you have no right to disobey us. takes our complicity. we have to agree with that for it to work. i don't agree with it. >> i think it worked for a while but i think the genesis of the social media and the prevalence of the internet and the alternative stories for news and sources for news, they don't have a monopoly the big three anymore. so that message that we are all evil and ...