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Department for his wrongful conviction. >> i did tell him, manitowoc wasn't done with him. >> why did you tell him that? >> something told me they weren't going to hand steve avery $36 million or any kind of money, that they were going to be watching him and look what happened. >> avery settled that lawsuit for $400,000 before his trial. the county did not acknowledge any wrongdoing. he used the money to his defense attorneys, dean strang, and jerry butting. >> we knew going in it was going to be a difficult defense. >> we spoke to butting in early 2016. >> we had a very tough defense in this ...

Said she searched for years to find the right attorney to take his case. during a call from prison, avery told her to watch "dateline." >> he had heard that there was going to be this ryan ferguson case on "dateline." he told me to watch it, just to see the lawyer. >> that "dateline" program from august 2011, told the story of ryan ferguson, a young man sitting in prison for a murder he said he didn't commit. attorney kathleen zellner was determined to get him out. >> nothing's as riveting as this, when the trial's been lost, everything's been lost, and you've got something that's the ultimate...

Zellner? >> no. i'm not involved in the case anymore. i shouldn't be afraid of anything. my involvement -- >> she could unravel your work if what she's saying has some weight to it. you don't think she has a chance? >> i don't. >> she's so confident. why are you so confident? >> because we spent 18 months pug is cetogether. it wasn't just thrown together. it wasn't a bunch of keystone cops. it was done very professionally, very well. >> kratz does have personal regrets. in his book, he admits to past prescription drug abuse and says he's ashamed that he sent sexual texts to a domestic violence...

Areas that make him vulnerable to the kind of tactics the officers used in this case. >> the attorneys say the investigators manipulated with coaxing statements like these from fassbender who was seated just off-camera. >> i'm your friend right now. it's all right. you are doing the right thing. >> they should never have made those kinds of suggestions, that they wanted to comfort him. that all would be well. those kinds of tactics when used on a kid like brendan are a recipe for false confessions. >> and they say the investigators manipulation of the teen escalated far beyond simple coaxing. ...

Len-of-len catchin ski. >> unbelievable. >> unconscionable. >> he came on board to -- and they discovered he had made legal mistakes that caused him to be removed from the case. >> is it okay if i read you some of the comments? >> sure, go ahead. >> disgusting human being. disgrace to the wisconsin judicial system, a man with a sickened soul. >> i've seen it. >> in one instance, catchin ski, working to cut a plea deal, had arranged for his client to speak with investigators, but catchin ski himself didn't show up. >> that was clearly a mistake. >> this is huge, though. >> i agree. >> you have ...