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Gamble that those will be slow moving and undramatic and will take a long time to take effect, and they think the american people will say, you know what? cutting $85 billion isn't that bad. that's their bet. >> howard -- >> i think in the end, in the end they will lose that bet because ultimately the effects of sequester will be real. >> and if the "b" roll, to put it in language we understand, to go with this story is of government workers being laid off, politically speaking the gop's calculus is that's not such a bad thing. >> if it's government workers, if it's -- if it's so-called bureau...

Bad. that's their bet. >> howard -- >> i think in the end, in the end they will lose that bet because ultimately the effects of sequester will be real. >> and if the "b" roll, to put it in language we understand to go with this story is of government workers being laid off, politically speaking the gop's calculus is that's not such a bad thing. >> if it's government workers, if it's -- if so-called bureaucrats who don't seem to be doing anything who may have valuable work but you can't put it on television who are laid off, that's one thing. it's another thing if they're hour upon hours of lin...

Concerns, meaning the concerns of the folks you just saw on that b roll about 2016 and her prospect prospects? >> of course it is. i think they hate her now. they're afraid of her. they don't want to have to run against a hillary who has been a very popular secretary of state, a very popular senator, who has run as first lady. and no matter what your politics are, she has done a good job for the country. and i think while she didn't run as well as she could have in 2008, she would be a formidable opponent. >> no doubt. and even before we should point out, even before secretary clinton suffered...

Communicating. >> part of what's curious that boehner would have started with talking about erskine bowls. last week he said he already denounced what they were trying to say he said during the assessment. by this afternoon maybe within a k. hours we'll have more b roll of erskine saying that's not what i said. >> they have to be printing "i heart erskine bowls." >> he has said that's not actually what i meant or said. also, though, again, look at the polls. these guys continue to make their argument. they continue to lose in the polls. more and more people agree with the president, so whateve...

We knew they were going to get around to having another test to this thing. it may be tied to the upcoming election in south korea which is around the 19th december. jenna: you wouldn't be surprised, you're not surprised by hearing about this now? >> no, not at all. they clamor for attention from south korea, from the japanese and from the united states. and this is more about that. they normally, when they get a little rough with the south koreans or do something to spark the anger of the united states usually they get some kind of concession frankly. so it's usually politically motivated to ...