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Judgment. the search was thrown out because of the speech and debate clause. the fact that even though we had a team that came in and looked at the information, nonetheless it was a member of the executive branch having eyes on information that was privileged because it was a work of congress. that's not the situation here, of course, because president trump is a member of the executive branch, but the lesson is despite the care, despite the advice you may get sometimes, you know, the courts disagree. >> i want to ask you about the defense that has been put on, not the nitty-gritty necessarily...

Here. in 2020 the secretaries of state that were republicans, election officials that stood up and said we're not doing this or governors that said we're not doing this, were the bullwerk. we know for so many states, they're passing a lot of that authority over to state legs -- leg is late yours, they're even less accountable than like a statewide secretary of state. all i can hope for is what matt pointed out, that this back fires. that what we see is disintegration of trust doesn't turn voters out and it works for one person, chuck, we watched politics long enough, you know that candidates l...

Community that i've come from? why would i risk it? would it be for a photo op? >> that's what i ask you, why? >> i went because i believe i was sent. i believe that my faith -- >> did you have to go to the white house? could you have done a conference call? could you have been on, you know, via television or camera or could you have teleconference? or could you have maybe there could have been a place other than the white house where you can discuss this? did you -- the thing is that sitting there, all of these african americans sitting there, it is being seen as the president of the united s...

>> i would agree with you. do you think it's getting the needed focus today? >> i haven't seen a whole lot of attention paid to it. i hope it's one of the things that moves into the policy agenda in 2019. i don't think we're going to see a lot of legislation this year. but outside of washington, in the think tank world and the research community it's getting a lot of attention. it's not something that's literally brand newspaper. in the '80s you'll recall which we saw the first wave of computers enter into the business world, we saw a big swath of middle management become essentially obsolete ...

Fires. they've pumped record amounts of retardant so far yesterday. well, well over 330,000 gallons. that's just one air attack base. that's not to mention any of the others in the state that we're using. >> you are doing extraordinary work. quickly before i let you go, we saw images of controlled burns. explain briefly to those unparticular how you're able to use the control burns to your advantage. >> control burns we're discussing back fires. they are not -- anyway, we'll leave that, but backfires are where we use fire to fight fire. we take that fuel out ahead of where that fire is heading...