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As low as bush. they don't like anybody it seems has had a job in government. it's endemic. >> congressman is right. this time in 2012 rick perry was leading the polls. >> why are you debating? >> it is important. >> is this pregaming for a party? is this preseason for a football season? you are saying it doesn't matter? >> every debate and every opportunity to meet -- >> why if you are watching debates they are making these judgments? >> it's still in the early process. >> what judgments are they making? >> right now they are window shopping and comparing and contrasting. >> the pattern is th...

>> but what's happening in -- this case is bringing up a larger issue peeling back layers of problems in cities like baltimore. >> is this case racial? >> no this case is not racial marc. you don't have to put a race card on every thing. are we going to have the same conversation -- >> why are you convinced it's not racial? >> it's not a racial incident. you have a majority black police department police commissioner black mayor, black prosecutor -- >> it can't be racial if black people are involved? >> it's pushing it in a case like this. >> your defense of this not being a race issue is that...

I work with if and worked with people under him. he did a lot of great things when he was there i'm watched his career. i do know that once you -- once the prosecutors get into your business and they begin to peel back layers, they're going to -- they find things, and no one is perfect. you take companies that have tens of thousands of employee, 1,000s of employees, -- >> but they're paying billion in fines, and the government gets off scot-free. you could make an argument the banks deserve this, but all of this a result of a government that all bet encouraged this. is that fair? >> well, i ha...

trayvon martin was shot and killed, could be a key piece of evidence. he had a closed fracture of his nose, two black eyes, two cuts to the back of his head in a minor back injury. i want to go to martin savidge covering the story for us. with all these new details and developments does it help zimmerman's argument he was in fact standing his ground they killed trayvon martin in self-defense? >> reporter: it depends on who you talk to. here's the way it breaks down. this information coming from the prosecution, the special prosecutor angela corey, they had to provide the basics of th...