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Property to pass the senate. just a matter of getting through the logistical hurdles. does it have support to pass the house. the house has passed this bill but paired it with -- for if you have a permit to carry, in a state, you would take that over state lines to another state that allows concealed carry. democrats in the senate, that is a nonstarter. for democrats in the house, that is a nonstarter. so as long as that still has to be paired with even the small bore fix nix background bill, there are problems there. it has put a point on this. speaking to a democratic snore who is very stron...

Democrats in the senate, that is a nonstarter. so as long as that still has to be paired with even the small bore fix nix background bill, there are problems there. it has put a point on this. speaking to a democratic snore who is very strong on the gun rights issue very strong on trying to push forward some type of gun restrictions and i asked him plainly, do you think anything is going to happen right now. he looked at me and shook his head. he said no. he understands where things are right now and not a lot of optimism. >> thanks very much. the question of regulating firearms, arming teache...

And you freeze. we're talking about this again but at another level. >> very quickly the president says he wants better background checks, including at gun shows where background checks are not very significant at all? >> that's a very popular idea. most americans support that. it's tough, though. they tried to do this in the senate after newtown when toddlers were killed. but they're talking about a background bill that just reinforces existing laws, doesn't even go that far. so even though it's popular, it faces an enormous uphill battle. >> ladies, thank you very, very much. coming up, th...

Dick in the deer stand? and what they were telling me the last few days is they're ready to do background checks. they asked me why the bump stock bill didn't pass. they know we need to make changes and i think these students are going to lead the way and we're going to finally see some action. and when i had those sandy hook parents in hi office and they told their stories and you think about the courage they had to come forward on a simple background bill and then the congress didn't have the courage to pass it, i don't think you're going do see that happen again. i want to see senator toome...

>> look, it's strategic. it's strategic and he's saying what they believe. not that they think people will make lists and socialism is going to take them to the country, but that it's a slippery slope or it's a camel's nose under the tent or allowing anything to move in the direction that would regulate or restrict gun rights is just the start of a domino effect. the most structured thing covering gun debates i think i ever witnessed was shortly after sandy hook i went into a meeting with the assumption that something was going to have to give. just politically it wasn't tenable to stay where ...