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Look at obama administration who expr expressed some concern about this. what about the timing of the morn of the debate? >> bret: i talked to a few democrats and they take two sides of it. one side is why do this today? why, just hours before a debate where potentially you wouldn't be asked a ton of questions about it. now it would seem the moderators and possibly even candidates on the stage will be compelled to react to what hunter biden said or how he said it or the whole thing. the other side i talked to here is yeah, clear the air, get it out there. put the onus back on president trump. ...

Saying forget it. issue a vote or don't do it. >> they weren't even saying unless you vote won't cooperate. background briefing about the press were asked repeatedly if the house meets your criteria and vote on this would you cooperate then that's a hypothetical. they are the not even guaranteeing they will cooperate if the house take as vote. >> bret: ben, your thoughts on this move. >> i think this is a political document obviously. it's not a legal one. meant to send a message to capitol hill and i think it sends a very clear one which is that as mara said even if you do vote in this way, y...

This point. we've seen ryan police trying to disperse the crowd. this was originally a legal rally. there was a march going from one area to another area. there is an element here that wants to have a confrontation with the police. as you say, it was interesting what we heard on friday, there was a background briefing for foreign media which cnn was part of. and the police commissioner was talking about concerns that this violence could be spiraling out of control, concerns that police may have to start using live ammunition at some point which is something they don't want to do, but we have s...

Happen. is that changing the character and size of these crowds, hearing that. >> this is something the senior police have come on and told media in a background briefing on friday, saying the levels are potentially becoming out of control, saying that they will have to consider using live ammunition, saying they're very concerned about the fact they may be put in a position that they have to kill someone or be killed themselves. now, this has not made any difference to the protests we're seeing today as far as we can make out. there were thousands of peaceful protesters, but as soon as the vi...

Organizers. at least that is what they're hoping. it's not just that the struggle on the streets of hong kong at this point, this is also turning into a bit of a realization from the police that they have to fight for public opinion, giving a face-to-face background briefing to reporters including cnn, pointing out that if these protesters didn't use violence, then the police wouldn't use force, saying that they have to use teargas and dispersal methods against what they call violent behavior. it is a p.r. fight as well as a pro-democracy fight here. a fate from the police to -- a fight from t...