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Line. maybe that shouldn't have anything to do with it, but it shows really a vascillating leadership. it's hard to line people up behind a leader what who seems to be backing a-- leader who seems to be backing away from his own position. >> marco rubio, let me play what he said publicly, and i want to ask but it. have a listen. >> had we force follfully engag before today we would have better concepts. unfortunately the president chose to let others lead instead. now we are dealing with the consequences of that inaction. >> i was home all month. went to 40 cities. haven't had one person say, ...

Women ordination in the priest. he did speak to john paul ii sort of backing a -- >> the quote on the ordination of women. the church has spoken and said no. >> right. there is plenty that progressives like myself will continue to find indefensible. i think what we do see is a pope who's fundamentally focused on issues of poverty and justice, and many people feared he would then overcompensate on the culture issues in order to protect his bona fides on the issues. >> here is the part of his conversation about gay priests that i thought was most interesting. he has just appointed batista rica, ...

Basically the church teaching on exact this issue. i mean, you know, it is not a sin to, quote, have the tendency. it is a sin to commit acts that violate god's law. i obviously deeply, deeply, deeply disagree with that. i find that a heinous teaching, in fact. i thought it was interesting, too, in some ways it showed that it's not that what pope francis is doing is doctrineally different than his predecessor. there's some force to the symbolic and rhetorical. >> as michael sean winter pointed out, he seemed to show more passion and anger about priests who drive fancy cars than about the issue...

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