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That is now also in 32 other states that gives people the right to go and use deadly force without any kind of backing up, with any kind of retreat, is the language in the law. and you could be wrong. what people are escaping in this debate and discussion around the law, lawrence, is that you cannot in any way shape or form tell anybody what trayvon martin did wrong. he went to the store to get some skittles and ice tea and to go home. he did not commit a crime or was trespassing. there was no reason that mr. zimmerman would have approached him at all. when he did, you're saying that trayvon d...

That based on her opinion, what she saw, she thought the bigger man was on top. and, she told you that the voice she heard she thought was a child versus an older person. now, is she an expert? had she ever heard these voices before? no, she is just telling you what she believes. >> obviously, trying to make the case for george zimmerman, having been on top. the state almost conceded that trayvon martin was on top during this demonstration. >> trayvon martin backing up, could not the defendant have shot him at a 90-degree angle? >> all right, so this is tough, you can't have it both ways. i gu...

Interpretation about what somebody else said. >> you talked about the use of force continuum, right? >> yes, sir. >> and that's -- explain that for the jury, what that is. >> like i said, it's a force containment, systematics approach to escalation and de-escalation of force, taking into consideration background training, if "x" happens you can't respond with "y." the idea is to give an objectively reasonable objection to two behaviors. >> if trayvon martin was backing up as i demonstrated a moment ago, that would be a de-escalation of force. >> if a person is disengaging it would be a de-esca...

Trayvon martin or whether it was trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman, you can't say? >> that's correct, sir. >> in fact, you can't testify as to who threw the first punch. >> that's correct, sir. >> and you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started. >> when it first started, that's correct, sir. >> reporter: the prosecutor got the witness to admit the defense was paying demayo $400 an hour for his expertise. but demayo said the case didn't require a lot of his time. >> up to yesterday, $2400. thi...

>> reporter: the state was also to get the pathologist to say that trayvon martin could have been trying to move away just before the shot was fired. >> at that point, you don't know if trayvon martin was backing up, backing away in terms of providing an angle or whether he was going forward, you can't say? >> all i said is it's consistent with his account, mr. zimmerman's account, that's all. >> it's also consistent with trayvon martin pulling back in terms of providing the same angle. >> i told you that too. >> reporter: the last testimony of the day was from zimmerman's former neighbor, too...