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Who happened to have been a former police officer who was convicted of running a prostitution ring out of his squad car. so we got both sides there. >> that's big. let's talk though. more seriously, this really is about the bizarre world of a very small handle -- handful of people dominating politics. it is a long strange trip you went on here. >> that's right. this is -- these folks have in many ways replaced the parties in their ability to influence elections. not always, i should add, in the way they intended. a lot of these people spent a lot of money in 2012 that didn't get the result the...

Because they felt their vote was potentially being suppressed. why, then, continue with these efforts from '14 into '16? >> it's hard to totally grasp the logic of overturning voting rights. it was such a fundamental in the mid-61960s. the interview was in ohio. there was a republican bill mccull en in the house, on the judiciary committee, and he pushed a lot of the civil rights bills and voting rights -- he was conservative on most issues but this was something we assumed should happen by the mid-60s and i think the suppression could have a very strong backlash effect. >> it's interesting, j...

Not in the bag with the corporate interest, per se. does this break that alliance between big capital and the busters on the right? >> 100%. if you talk to the people in the chamber of commerce or the roundtable, they are furious with the party. they don't know what to do. there is part of them that desperately wants to try to put up other candidates against people, like a ted cruz. he's not up -- he's not going to be up anytime soon, but they desperately want to do that. but they're so worried that if they do, it will just have a backlash effect. so they're trying to figure out, where do we p...

If you talk to the people in the chamber of commerce or the roundtable, they are furious with the party. they don't know what to do. there is part of them that desperately wants to try to put up other candidates against people, like a ted cruz. he's not up -- he's not going to be up anytime soon, but they desperately want to do that. but they're so worried that if they do, it will just have a backlash effect. so they're trying to figure out, where do we place our bet? because this group is not helping us. on the other side, i will tell you this, i don't think anybody in the business community ...

The wages are low, not to mention the req laze. and the enforcement of the regulations are not consistent. so what is a cheap shirt does have a high human cost in the end. >> how big a role does that industry play in bangladesh? or us? we buy the stuff. >> it accounts 77% of the exports, so it playing a huge role. it pumps about 20 milli$20 mill the economy. so what's happening is these companies directly involved, they're saying, look, the solution is to pull out, but what does that do? it creates a backlash effect, because that's what the locals rely on for their wages and what have you. >> ...