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Backup teams i believe are from surrounding mines and if we get into a recovery operation we're going to have a number of teams from outside of this mine because we're going to try to put a number of teams in there to try to -- >> the forward 16 are guys who would have known the miners whose bodies are in there? >> that is correct. >> once you move to recovery how long does that take? >> i have no idea or timetable. that's going to be a slow process. it depends how quickly we're able to clear the debris, to have vehicles that would move the bodies from the face area out to where we can load th...

Up. one team will be as a fresh-air base as a backup team and one team will be going to long wall 22. [ inaudible question ] we had not found him. we know that he would have had to made it to a refuge chamber to survive, in a -- i guess in a perfect hoped, for whatever reason, he would be with the other three miners. there's no way with the atmospheres that we've seen that anybody could have survived outside of that chamber. >> are you going to go look for him after the rescue chamber is checked out? >> ultimately he would be part, if there -- if we didn't find anybody in the rescue chamber, w...

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