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Opposite side over there because i was on the sidewalk. the officer came around behind him and brought him back look this, taking him down. >> it's almost eerie, 18 years later we're seeing this same kind of thing. what did you do to break through this blue wall and to get a federal indictment? >> well, immediately after the non -- the acquittal of officer lavodi, and remember the judge in that case was judge judy's husband, judge sheinlin. had an indictment. it went to trial. a nonjury trial. but judge sheinlin said from the bench, and this was the key, there was a nest of perjury. this was m...

Councilman zach reed and legal analyst veteran prosecutor paul henderson. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thanks for having us, reverend. >> councilman, what do you make of what we're learning about this officer today? >> well, a lot of things were dropped. clearly we did not do our homework on this officer. clearly if we had done our homework on this officer, we would not have hired this officer. goes back to what malcom x said. you have good cops, bad cops and cops that don't deserve to be on the force both physically, mentally and this is what we've got. we have a cop that should ...

Explanation when you can look at that kind of egregious behavior taking place in broad daylight on the streets of this city by the people who are supposed to protect and serve, people deserve an explanation because that video, and we've had cases before where we've had video evidence, look at rodney king. we've had other cases. but in that case there was at least an indictment. and rodney king lived. eric garner is dead. >> and what you just said about those witnesses. what did those witnesses say? all of those exhibits? what did they show. that's what we need to know. >> why did it take four ...

20 years ago in 1994. a young man named anthony baez. he was killed in the bronx by a police officer who choked him after a football he was playing with bounced off the officer's patrol car. in that case, a grand jury did decide that the officer should be put on trial for killing anthony baez by choking him to death. but at trial that officer was acquitted. then that same officer was brought up on charges again in federal court. and in federal court the officer was convicted and sentenced to seven years in prison. that's the last time a new york police officer was charged for choking someone. ...

Died in that june -- that july day. unlike some of the other protest, it hasn't been raucous here. it hasn't been overly angry, but there's a feeling that there's a weight and hopelessness. folks who had not necessarily expected there would be an indictment but there was always hope that there would be an indictment. i spoke to a young man named aaron who looked me in the eye and said, where do we go from here? what can we do? even when it's on video and an officer is seen choking a man, we can't get justice there. if not here, then when? that's the sense. when you talk to folks on the ground,...