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But, not net creation. we lost more jobs because the recession and -- than were created by the programs. is that a problem with you -- >> wait a minute, you are the chief economist there. >> absolutely. >> where did you get your degree, at a baking school what where are you cooking up the numbers. >> you are a joke -- [bleeped]. >> and we have not seen results for that money. >> how do i follow that up, i'm charles payne in for neil cavuto. let's be -- get reaction from gerri willis, matt mccall and al lewis. >> neil is right, for the love of god, i mean, you know, that is crazy, what the admi...

Own policies, they are killing jobs. >> the fact of the matter is, though, spending is under huge attack and is the only thing the administration wants to go with and the union being allies and trumka said this week the deficit thing is an excuse, an excuse, and holding the economy hostage. how is it an excuse if you are spending more money than you have, continually for years to come, who is going to pay for that. >> oh, sure, say we have a printing press and can keep printing money and that is fine we can, but that equals higher interest rates, and will equal higher inflation and weak u.s. d...