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You don't find crimes, this will wind up fueling a counter narrative that this was a witch-hunt. it is a balancing test even for t them. >> god forbid we have fishing expeditions in presidential investigations. we have seen that move before. the u.s. attorney. this is rudy giuliani's former -- >> right. why is this a basis of reaccusal? he worked with rudy giuliani in a law firm. >> he was a lawyer on the campaign is and may have known cohen in that context. >> that's enough to step away? >> it was enough for him to rese himself.

Stop. richard, finish. >> each incident needs to look at individual can he should not have had that rifle. and there are other 18 to 21-year-old that use rifles properly. not everyone should be punished because one child did something wrong they should have been prevented from doing that under current law. >> go ahead rachel. >> i think the issue here is that we need to, it is a balancing test. we need to balance compelling state interest. we need to balance public safety against this. i don't think there's a single person out there willing to fundamentally think that their rights are so sever...

Legally, it's a simple balancing test which is obviously privacy, you know, medical privacy, hi hippa to some extent versus the public's right to know. you can debate that and argue it any way you want. in my opinion, as i have stated it, i could be incricket. i feel as though it should be kept private for now. because it's going to track into obviously the insanity defense. arthel: right. >> and the death penalty. arthel: you mentioned something a little bit earlier, doug, that we were hearing reports. i'm not sure that we have been able to confirm it but there were talks and chatter about po...

That he's going to have to talk to trump and he didn't have to talk to the house in the same way her can't exert executive privilege here because that's been settled. that's what u.s. v nixon was about. executive privilege is a balancing test. it has to yield to a criminal investigation, and here mueller has the cards that the house didn't have. but, yes, they'll be poring through it and they'll be loaded for bear an all the specific allegations. and one thing that the wolfebook shows is bannon had all kinds of knowledge touching on everything there during the year. he is also clear from the b...

Reading and underlining? >> i think so. and it's not whether bannon thinks that a meeting is treasonous. it's not his legal conclusions. but there are facts in there. the one you just mentioned, lawrence, about did trump jr. take the russians up to visit and see trump, which would be devastating evidence on collusion. discreet facts like that that he can question him on. and i did want to mention based on your last segment the reason that he's going to have to talk to trump and he didn't have to talk to the house in the same way her can't exert executive privilege here because that's been sett...