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Opposite. i would like people to have an outbreak of candor so we can determine whether this guy is a menace to national security which i happen to think he is. >> and, ron klain, hr mcmaster is one of the enemies in steve bannon world and so there is speculation that this kind of story is actually being advanced by the bannon side in the hope to discredit mcmaster within the white house but that doesn't go to the question, the real question of did he really say this? >> yeah. i think all of that speculation suggests that these people are playing six dimensional chess. the record shows it's ze...

Conservative in there now without defeating you in the primary. so these senators are making this point and jeff flake's case, very emotional and very standing on principle. and then people who are with the party -- fighting these establishment politicians say good riddance to you, don't let the door hit you on the way out. steve bannon is fired up about the fact that jeff flake has taken himself out. they really believe on the bannon side of the equation and bannon has threatened to primary every establishment republican out there who is not with the president on his agenda. bannon is saying ...

This argument does not work with voters, the argument that you've got to nominate someone who can win. we don't know who's going to win ahead of time. crist made it against rubio, et cetera. secondly, voters would like to vote for someone they believe in or has policies that will help them. this only being foit by the bannon side and they are hunkered down in the feetal position. you have to fight ban on issues, do you want protectionist republicans or those who accept the 21st century or want to roll everything back 60 or 70 years or believes in america's role in the world or not. they have t...

I think, encourage more anti-establishment republican primaries, which is going to make it harder for them to govern. and it's also going to deepen the suspicion between the president and the senate majority leader. which is going to make it harder for them to govern. i think it's very revealing that on the same day that judge moore, who is a favorite, but not a guarantee to win in december, certainly a favorite, the same day that he's coming, probably coming, bob corker is leaving. and that says something about the governing part of the republican senate caucus, and what they feel is possible...

National security council before that national security adviser, first one got fired and the new one kicked him out of there. well now as to have day he is gone from the white house altogether. with a flourish of random contradictory information about how exactly he left, how much he jumped and how much he was pushed. the line they're trying to sell now from the bannon side is that it was an orderly good-bye. that it was on his terms. that he filed his notice, that he would leave two weeks ago or maybe it was ten days ago or maybe it was a week ago. he at least definitely had already decided t...