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Hear everybody out, she permitted the president's attorneys to appear and to articulate his position. now, to your point, brian, it was adverse to the department of justice, but i imagine he's appearing in his personal capacity and not as the chief executive of our land. >> speaking of strange bedfellows, next question goes to a pulitzer prize winning journalist, ashley parker. ashley, there were audible gasps apparently in the courtroom today when sean hannity's name came out. is this just part and parcel of the confusing, spectacular world and orbit of michael cohen? >> i think that's a good...

Now, to your point, brian, it was adverse to the department of justice, but i imagine he's appearing in his personal capacity and not as the chief executive of our land. >> speaking of strange bedfellows, next question goes to a pulitzer prize winning journalist, ashley parker. ashley, there were audible gasps apparently in the courtroom today when sean hannity's name came out. is this just part and parcel of the confusing, spectacular world and orbit of michael cohen? >> i think that's a good way of viewing it. it's sort of, you know, his name coming out sort of feels like the bar scene in "s...

Scene in star wars, i wasn't going to quite putting it like that, but you have steven miller, sean hannity, the bright lights of fox news. don king who is really, i don't need to describe don king other than he stomped someone to death once. how unusual is it for the president to echo those around him than set an agenda himself. it is normal to have people to have like minds around them. but it is interesting the extent to not only watching fox news but consulting with these people. >> i think what we all have to do is remind ourselves of how presidents have always acted in the past whether th...

Just, i think, another reflection of the chaos that this president engages in as president. >> yeah, i mean, you talk about the bar scene in "star wars" i wasn't going to put it like that, but you did have stephen miller, very hawkish member of the president's team, sean hannity, bill shine, i mean, sort of the, you know, the bright lights of fox news, if you will. don king, you know -- who is really -- i don't even need to try to describe don king, other than he stomped somebody to death once. how unusual is it for a president to echo those around him instead of setting the agenda himself, or...

What the president is saying. >> these tweets obviously came after, you know, he was at mar-a-lago, he was there without john kelly. you've been a white house chief of staff, obviously, before, do you think it's telling that kelly was not with the president while all of this happened? >> it's obviously not a good situation in the white house. you know, i think we've known that for awhile, but the reality is that the whole purpose of a chief of staff is to be able to work with the president, to have a trusting relationship with the president, and to be able to -- to at least provide some degree...