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40:24 Barbara Kellerman is the James MacGregor Burns Lecturer in Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School. She is Founding Executive Director of the School’s Center for Public Leadership. In 2016, she was given the Lifetime Achievement Award by the International Leadership Association. She has written many books and articles about leadership and followership, most recently  Professionalizing Leadership, and (with Todd Pittinsky)  Leaders Who Lust: Power, Money, Sex, Success, Legitimacy, Legacy.   Tags: 

Impea impeachment. but in 1998, bill clinton remained in office after being impeached at the white house and acquitted by the senate. at question were his statement. >> announcer: oath when he tried to cover up his affair with monica lewinsky as part of the white water investigation. joining us now is barbara kellerman, lecturer at the harvard kennedy school. thanks for being with us today, barbara. >> my pleasure. >> you're saying what we're missing here is the context we're focusing on too much on the characters. >> there's a lot of leadership work out there and the fixation, our obsession i...

But what do your students asking you about this? you have to really put this in historical context right now. they're asking you for that. >> i do. among other things, i teach at the kennedy school, as you said. and a lot of students there at least half are not american. and they're going what is this? well, the americans are doing it, too. but particularly the nonamericans who came here under one set of -- one ideology and one sest expectations and they're finding a three-ring circus. and they can't understand what's going on, any more than you or i can can, richard. >> they're luck dwroi you...

Got the husband who's president it can feel a little single. but he's there. >> all right. that was a freudian slip heard round the world. first lady michelle obama calling herself a single mother, but was it just a slip of the tongue by a mom with a busy husband or revealing something more about life in the white house? i'm joined by a presidential historian at arbor university. she has a new book out "the end of leadership." barbara, when you heard that comment, what came to mind? >> well, you know, miguel, i think it was really much more a reference to times past than times present. it's we...

Tiny children, very young children in the white house. the johnsons in contrast had two white house -- they had two kids in the white house who were young adult women and who got married during that period. trisha had a famous white house wedding. so did lucy bains johnson. it depends entirely on the period, what the culture expects. and as i've written before in my life, these are not just decorative roles. the roles that family members play whether kids or whether wives or siblings, they have a political impact. so each family, each first family calculates not only what is best for the famil...