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Sees some of his family members may also be exposed to criminal charges. that could be the lever that convinces him to cooperate. >> barbara, your views of what it means to have this grand jury of new yorkers, of donald trump's peers. he famously relocated to florida, but he's been in new york a long time. he's been the president. he's well known and polarizing. what does it mean under the requirements of justice to get that grand jury to look only at the evidence, although it is a very different structure than a traditional jury, but to get it to look at the evidence and not be swayed one way...

Certainly not weisselberg. weisselberg is one of the total sycophants that doesn't breathe or inhale or exhale without trump's permission or knowledge. so i think that that will be interesting in trying to lay it on weisselberg and how he responds. and i think it will be effective. i think weisselberg -- >> barbara -- go ahead. >> no. just i think that weisselberg will be able to convince them that trump was part of it and that trump had complete guilty knowledge, as it were. >> yeah. and that brings us to barbara mcquaid. if weisselberg has evidence of that, he certainly would have a somewhat...

And i thought why not? basically he was saying they're illegal and i'm not releasing them. it was during the cohen sdny investigation. pretty telling. >> this family is going to pretend that it all had to do with alan and that alan was in charge of everything, alan was responsible. >> they will flip on each other like it's going out of style. >> barbara rez, do you think weisselberg understands that could happen? will he be ready for that? >> of course. if he doesn't understand by this point, it's a problem. you know, he's seen trump throw everything he could find under the bus. does he have a...

Former trump organization executive vice president. she worked with donald trump for over a decade and knows intimately how the organization runs on the inside. for legal perspective, we're joined by former u.s. attorney barbara. welcome both of you. with two barbaras, i will use last names religiously. barbara rez, does it surprise you that the grand jury has reconvened and does weisselberg, if your view, have anything to worry about? >> well, it surprised me because i think i said this before, trump has always been total teflon. so the fact they're closing in on him is wonderful and surprisi...

Former president trump is facing serious legal heat as the investigation into his organization turns criminal. prosecutors are honing in on allen weisselberg, who is now under criminal investigation over taxes. but former members of trump's inner circle are saying it won't take much for the cfo to flip. here is what barbara rez, a former executive vice president of the trump organization told me about that yesterday. >> what did you think? >> based on what he we have read about him, paying for or arranging for all their expenses so they can live like multimillionaires, clearly he has some grea...