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Spend. so i don't want to be debating with someone who thinks we need to grow government. >> well, why ron paul? i mean, i get it. you want sound fiscal policy. you want smaller government but aren't there conservative choices that don't think that israel maybe doesn't -- shouldn't be protected with some military help and some of the other crazy ideas he has. >> the unaccountable and out of control federal reserve, individual liberty, the constitutional limited government, those are the concepts that ron paul is bringing forward and all of our country needs to listen to that because those are ...

The president. it's been gloves off, bare knuckles, chicago politics as they call it to now especially on the issue of bain, which they fought soreserve as an issue when all the top democrats came out and said don't go there, don't rip on enterprise and capitalism and so on, and now -- now what explains the shift away from that? >> i think you're right. i think in some ways -- i actually think this is a have ad, i think it's a reflection of a fundamental failure of the barack obam obama campaign that they are coming to this realization so late. if it's a referendum on his own job performance o...