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Officers with their ballistics gear standing outside. it's tough to tell whether their guns are drawn but they're standing in what looks like a somewhat relaxed pose. art roderick, if you're still there -- >> i am. >> -- can we learn anything from the fact that he didn't shoot people on the way in? this is not someone on a rampage, someone who premeditated this or precalculated this. this is someone, i would imagine, especially since we know he's in his teens, is really freaking out right now, given what he knows about the police presence, which is probably much bigger. >> that is a big point,...

Out, without harming others. and it appears that that's what may have happened. art roderick, your thoughts on what we're looking at. >> this possibly could be the end of this situation. and i think what we were talking about before, because this is a domestic situation that just kind of exploded here, and we have a police chase and we have a target of opportunity for this particular individual, it looks like there's a very good possibility here at this point in time that negotiators were able to talk this individual out. they put him in handcuffs and you see law enforcement officers in a stan...

Now. i would imagine that you very well could have some people that are hiding at varies locations within the store. so you're not going to get an exact number at this point in time. but one thing is certain, you have other people that are still in the store. the question is -- [ inaudibl ] [ inaudible ]. >> all right. we just lost charles there. art roderick, i was trying to ask you earlier, should we take away anything from the fact that the gunman went inside, as he fled inside after crashing his car, he didn't shoot anybody. all right. one second. we're getting new video from the scene. mo...

They surrounded the shooter and we know that the shooter is in custody, interrogated by police. but really, very chilling first person accounts that continue to come out from this one particular reporter, the courts and crimes reporter for "capital gazette." he initially tweeted and then he gave this interview to "the baltimore sun" talking about describing it as a war zone and we know five people at least have been killed. people hiding under their desks until this gunman for some reason stopped and then was surrounded by police and now interrogated. jake? >> then to hear police tell the stor...

Here's our breaking news tonight. a 17-year-old texas high school student charged with capital murder in the mass shooting at his school that killed nine fellow students and one teacher and wounded ten others. joining me now, jim maxwell, a retired fbi special agent and cnn law enforcement analyst, art roderick. a former assistant director of the u.s. marshal's office. gentlemen, good evening to you. how many times have we gone through this, sadly. the same question to both of you and the only one that really matters is how do we stop this? art, you first? >> don, somebody said something to me...