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The analysis is, and we won't know until it kicks in for the next year of premiums, but all the experts say this will hike premiums up because you will take healthier and younger people out of the pool. does it make it harder, maybe, for republicans to get changes through and hold the trust of the american people on that? >> it does make it harder. what president trump needs to do if he is serious about repeal and replace is find a program that he can propose, that republicans can propose that can get susan collins, and john mccain from arizona and maybe a rand paul from kentucky, and he needs...

President would tell people don't believe what you see. only believe what i tell you. >> to the way he ran his campaign and the early part of his presidency. whenever he is criticized, he questions the people criticizing him rather than addressing the underlying criticism. you are seeing that where there is criticism over the federal government's response and over president trump's lack of response. last weekend he was focused like a laser on the nfl and the kneeling issue rather than puerto rico. he tweeted 12 or 15 times about the nfl and twice about puerto rico. his distractions were elsewh...

Helping the president understand implications are doing this one way, another way, inclusion of comments, absence of other comments. it seems to be underscoring the idea that the president ultimately does always go with his own gut and make his own decisions. >> i think like jackie was saying. a base instinct with trump that seems to be, if you are nice to me, i'm nice to you. you're mean to me, i'm mean to you. this is a group that supported him during the campaign and so he's been reluxant to disavoi himself from it. that elemental instinct of his is not even overriding the fact that they ar...

How do we try to win them over? so, look, i think that when trump says hey, what i'm talking about is common sense, in a sense he's right. becauseresponding to fear is a base instinct. telling people to consider things like religious liberty or unintended consequences, that's a move more sophisticated thing to do. it's harder to sell in a sound bite. >> when people are scared, and they're scared, they want control. what he's giving them, donald trump, is control. ban the muslims, there's your control. this is a moment for leaders to step up. hillary clinton put out a tweet, not enough, you hav...

They were proven innocent by dna evidence. and he maintained -- not only doesn't he talk about it, but he maintained for a while they were still guilty. >> give me your sense of that. you've been in politics. what do you make of his sort of cultural ruling, his way of -- what would you call the rule? machismo? >> it is obvious with donald trump. you can draw a direct line from the central park five to birtherism and you see his own ideology. if it's not his own ideology, it's his path to power. he pursued it and he manipulated it. >> and he has pointed to minorities to get there, right? >> tha...