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Live. we live inpost-truth world, it's a post-fact universe. they've become prisoners of their own narrative, they're the great populist avatars of this new movement. and they also think, and i think this is really the heart of it, that the president has done enough damage to actual reporting, that is, by denying the evident reality of so much that's been reported and so much that happens, he has successfully made it very, very difficult for a lot of folks to figure out what to believe and what not to believe. so by discrediting things that are self-evidently true, he can now argue things that...

That the president has done enough damage to actual reporting, that is by denying the evident reality of so much that's been reported and so much that happens, he has successfully made it very, very difficult for a lot of folks to fik out what to believe and whatnot to believe. so by discrediting things that are self-evidentel true he can argue things that are not true and do so in a very confused public arena that enables his base and his base plus, really, to think, you know what? -- >> sure because it's confusing to everybody now. >> the press is saying this and trump is saying that and you...

Unlikely tonight. what i am suggesting is that historically speaking, you know this, great presidents don't simply gather and don might govern for their base. they govern for the base plus. you look at ronald reagan, who came in, we look at the 1980 election as a big line side, it ended early that night, as you know. he grew that number. >> bill: '84 was a big landslide prayed >> he did it by convincing a lot of people that he was not, as he himself put it -- >> bill: i think donald trump will be very wise to follow the arc of ronald reagan, who had a rough two years, obviously, shot. then, he...