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Doesn't blow or during the night, you have to have them backed up with gas. but because of the price discrepancy between renewables now and sources like natural gas, they have become less reliable as backup sources and you're getting the shortages of electricity in those two states. yes, this is our future now if something isn't done about it. paul: kim, the folks on the left on climate say oh, no, this is just the result of global warming, of climate change, get used to it. has nothing to do with our policies and we -- to double down even more on wind and solar. but what i see is you've got t...

Future and what should we do policy-wise to make sure it doesn't happen? >> yeah, you know, this is just called physics and even people on the left don't deny. until you come up with some way of storing renewable energy, some kind of breakthrough battery technology which we don't have and are not near to having, then yes, the understanding is you have to have a backup for any kind of intermittent renewable power and that's usually more and more gas. and so what we see, yes, is the coming future because the biden administration is doing the opposite. it's following a pipedream. it's at the mome...