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>> let me get the take on the importance of all this money spent and again the needle not moving. maybe that will change as people get closer to the election. maybe it will be the debates that help move the theelgd. b needle. but the end, enthusiasm with all the high tech we have, that ground game and the enthusiasm of the base, will that decide this election? >> it very well hey. and both sides have their own base problems. mitt romney was seen as not really conservative enough for many. and they spent a big part of their convention really activating those conservatives, moving them from vote...

Getting behind him. he's starting to get big time endorsements. >> worry about your base and reaching out to the middle. you can't do both. that was the problem with the mccain campaign. if he has base problems, he can spend all of his time chasing votes he should already have. >> the winners win the independents. 25% to 30%, that's who we need to get. >> i need you three to stick around and i want to tell the viewers at home that a woman who was in this race, congresswoman michelle bachmann will be up next hour to get her take on all this. meanwhile, the panel sticks around for this story tha...