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Joe. >> it's going to be tough, especially with this party, which this fits into your last segment about redistricting. the republican party has become more and more and more a party of its right-wing base. and this guy is out of the -- you know, the republican party of a generation ago. >> yeah. >> jennifer, i don't mean it in any other way, but baseball term is mickey mantle was a switch hitter. the ability to go left or right with batting. not what field to hit to but which arms to use. >> exactly. >> this guy, it seems he could go either way on the same night. >> on the key core issues the...

Come back and bite him, i bet. >> the first thing that comes to my mind is the "new york times" report about romney as a mormon bishop. there was one aneck dote how he went to a hospital to try to convince a mormon woman to not have an abortion. so this guy has played both sides of the fence with equality fervor. it's really kind of remarkable. >> how can he be that way, a party go to tampa -- it's going to be hot down there next september, and get excited about a guy who they believe is ambidextrous politically? >> it will be tough especially with this party. this fits into your last segment ...

So in the middle of this, we were teetering on the great depression. he made some tough calls to make sure that we didn't go in that drengz and began to climb. 3wu9 he's tackled tough things here. but, no, this country cannot afford to go back to the same policies that mitt romney and rick perry and all these presidential candidates are covering. but wall street writes its own rules, make it easier for polluters to foul our air and water and give millionaires and billionaires more tax cuts paid for by asking middle class and seniors to do more. we cannot afford that in this country. >> he's no...

Herman cain who is on top with 23%. mitt romney at 22%. who is the republican most likely to challenge president obama? >> i don't think we have any idea. the world series just ended friday night, but to use a baseball term, we may be in the first inning of this. so this is going to have a lot of twists and turns. and in iowa, which we know a little something about, you know, what matters is can you identify your supporters. can you get them to the caucus? the next 60 days is going to be a fascinating period in politics. but the key thing is, no matter who we run against, they are operating th...

>> i don't think so. for one i'm not convinced that the democrats will retake control of the house. but two, there are many democrats out there who are saying that this is not the time to be talking about that. secondly, i think what he is working to get through is the mueller investigation and what he has got going on. while we continue to see the scope of that investigation change, you are seeing maybe possibly a more aggressive posture coming from the special counsel's office so he is making sure to use a baseball term, he is bringing in the right relief pitcher at the right time to win the...