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Come on, man. this isn't about me. it's about the major problem. here's the deal, say whatever you want, but unless we're willing to address this, we're in financial quicksand. here are the numbers in the coming fiscal year. the government will lay out a $3.8 trillion, about 70% of that for mandatory spending programs, mainly social security, medicare, medicaid, and interest on the federal debt. this basic math. the congressional budget office predicts each year over the next 25 years our government programs will wind up costing more than we take in. and they also project our debt to gdp ratio...

Spandex thing. all right, dagen, what do you make of that? >> i think at least howard dean is telling the truth and could have shown more energy in that interview that he gave. but it flies in the face of what you hear from the white house and the president that somehow the rich can foot the bill, with lyhigher taxes for all of this and what we've been talking about in the show. if you want big government you'll figure out a way to pay for it and almost half of america has paid no federal income tax net. so they're going to end up paying something, and come hell or high water, they will pay. >...

>> this sounds like a barbed question. >> this is an obvious question. politicians need to tell americans the truth about medicare and medicaid. you do understand that not only are people going to have to pay more for their medicare, wealthier americans, but all beneficiaries are going to be getting less in 10 15 years from now and medical providers are going to be getting paid less. >> the question is, can we -- >> do you understand that? >> i understand -- >> no no, no. that's basic math. >> joe, i don't accept your premise that we are doomed to always be parting with 10% increases, 15% incr...