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We all had to participate. the pentagon can't own every aspect of this. a large equity for the state department. we were working hand and glove with them. we will learned from, this we made some mistakes and could have done some things better. will let's not thrown out the baby with the bath water. 124,000 people safely moved out with the help of allies and partners literally around the world. now these individuals and fair families are moving on to safer more security lives here in the united states. >> sandra: admiral kirby, thanks for your time. >> you bet. >> sandra: with 2,000 of the u.s....

Constituency. it was a defund the police marching constituency and sloganeering constituency. but the voters have been clear in the black community for a long time. we want better policing and lawful policing but we don't want no policing. it's finally an opportunity to get something done now. >> that explains, van, why the president is now trying to clearly, publicly, aggressively, move away from the so-called defund the police stigma. from your perspective, is that the right approach politically and in terms of addressing violent crime in this country? >> look, i think, the slogans on all si...

And if we allow an autocrat to brutally subjugate a developing democracy, what comes next? because putin has gotten away with it time after time and i think this is the time that we need to stop him. unless we want to live in a world where putin makes the rules. where he decides, oh, i think i'm going to take alaska now because i used to have alaska and you didn't pay me enough in the 1850s. is that okay with us? is it okay if other things like that happen. i don't think we want to live in a world where might makes right and i think that we need to make adjustments in the international order. ...

From the russians. >> you said it what he can sell to the world but doesn't the world know what is actually up in that? putin is -- he's losing and on many different levels. i think for every single goal that he has had to divide nato allies, to divide america, to take ukraine. he's really lost it. the world knows what's up. is this what he's doing for himself to make himself feel good? >> yeah, he's drinking his own bath water. what he wants to do is to say to his own people and his own cabinet, hey, this is what we're trying to do, right, guys? we're just trying to get to donbas, right? we w...

Normally, this is how these types of requests would be handled from congress, with white house counsel's office looking over it, asserting some privilege, releasing others. i think what's important here is that the biden administration is not slamming the door. but they're not throwing out the baby with the bath water. they want to be careful about not opening up a precedent where anything involving national security could be looked at from congress. i think it plays up some important differences between a congressional investigation versus a criminal one, which would have more security and pr...