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Trying to thread this really wild needle and he can't do it. the thing about the electric cars issue, a few things, one, we have already established they are unaffordable and because they are unaffordable, the government says, a whole bunch , which means all of us are paying for people who are rich enough to buy the cars that are on sale right now. china, okay, that is a huge issue, that is where the minerals are coming from, and also the battery stuff. human rights issues. we were just talking about that in the a block. the problem in our country, where do you think people are getting mineral...

Our options to drive energy innovation are not only government loan guarantees and the government reaching far forward into the commercialization process. instead we could have the government work in cooperation with the private sector on public/private research and development initiatives that don't pick winners but work rather on the fundamental technological barriers to innovation. >> aren't we going that on battery stuff, the energy department? >> we're doing some of that but could be doing a much better job. the energy department, itself, is not well organized to do this work. the secreta...

>> right, because all of the options that come forward are all big government liberal ideas about how we go about doing this. our options to drive energy innovation are not only government loan guarantees and the government reaching far forward into the commercialization process. instead we could have the government work in cooperation with the private sector on public/private research and development initiatives that don't pick winners but work rather on the fundamental technological barriers to innovation. >> aren't we doing that on battery stuff, the energy department? >> we're doing some o...